As we all now know the Orion has now been superceded by the new Bailey Pursuit.
As we are not intending to swap to a Pursuit ( a Bailey GT65 Rimini might be on the cards one day ) I cannot give a great deal of first hand information about it except in the most generic of terms.
However if anyone is thinking of getting a Pursuit and wants me to blog about anything then I open up the blog to you.
Just e-mail me anything you want posted and leave the rest to me.
I will keep the title as the Baiey Orion Blog ( mainly as I have it printed on my red hoodie ).
Ian
Monday, 21 October 2013
Saturday, 19 October 2013
The NEC Show & Bailey Pursuit
SWMBO and I visited the NEC show on Thursday and found it rather quiet than on Thursdays we have attended in previous years however a stallholder told us that 27,000 advanced tickets had been sold for the Saturday ( today ) plus those paying on the door so it looks like a busy one today.
One of the main things we wanted to view was the new Bailey Pursuit with an intention to perhaps swap the Orion next year for a single fixed bed Pursuit ( the 550-4 ),sad to say we came away rather disappointed.
My comments concentrate on the 550-4 as this is the van we were interested in but obviously there are some common generic factors across the range.
First the good points,I rather liked the exterior of the Pursuit,in particular the grey colour scheme which I admit I prefer to the cream of the Orion.
The door now hinges the other way to avoid colliding with the front window and the wet locker has a much larger access door with a plastic tray for wet items.
There is now a front chest with a wide "window sill" area with a pull out table but what this does to the noseweight I don't know.
The electrics/fuse box are sited in the bottom of this chest which avoids the melee of cables in an exposed position in the Orion near side bed base.
Talking of tables,we couldn't find a second table stored anywhere and neither could a salesman although we were assured that there should be one,so if you decide to order a Pursuit make sure there is a table present.
Bailey have retained the large one piece front window but I hope they have uprated the stays as on the Orion they aren't strong enough to support it.
There is now a bowl shaped sink in the bathroom so drainage is simplified over the Orions flat bottomed "difficult to drain unles perfectly flat" Belfast style sink.
The kitchen and TV surfaces now have a shiny finish which I rather liked.
There are up to five 240v plug sockets.
The spare wheel is now stored under one of the fixed beds in a cover which does away with the dreaded Al-Ko carrier,where it is stored in a non-fixed bed van I don't know.
Incidentally Bailey have been rather crafty as the spare is included as an option,not on its own,but as part of a Premium Pack at £399 so if you want a spare,and who won't, you will have to also buy the Al-Ko AKS 3004 stabiliser,door flyscreen,microwave ( yes it's now an extra ) and radio/CD/mP3 player whether you want them or not.
My suspicion is that the Premium Pack will become more or less "standard" which jacks the price up by about £400.
The wheels are attached by the new WSL wheel bolts.
There are also separate stand alone options of an Al-Ko wheel lock ( £194 ),Al-Ko ATC ( £399 ) and a sunroof ( £356 ).
SWMBO wasn't keen on the sunroof and much prefered the large panoramic window of the Pegasus and Unicorn.
Now to the not so good in our opinion.
The interior look of medium hue wood,or "The Log Cabin Look" as someone on CT called it,is beginning to look rather tired and old fashioned against some other more contemporary fitted out vans.
Money seems to have been saved in the shower area which remains unlined as in the Orion.There were a couple of areas of dodgy sealing as well.
Doubtless these would be attended to by the dealer but even so.
The bi-fold shower door in the Orion has been replaced with a flimsy shower curtain which did not reach to the bottom of the shower tray leading to a possible wet floor,the shower curtain did not go down well with SWMBO and from what I overheard many other people.
I managed to have a word with Mr.Howard ,one of the Bailey head honchos and mentioned the shower curtain,he said that the fittings for a bi-fold door are there and one could be retro-fitted by the dealer.
This leads me to think that a door was in the original specification but was dropped for perhaps weight or financial reasons as why put the fittings in in the first place if they weren't going to be used..
Moving to the kitchen,the draining board when in place overlaps the hob.
If the hob is still hot you will have a melted draining board.
The ( optional ) microwave is positioned over the sink so if removing a hot or heavy dish there is nowhere immediately beneath the oven to put it down,you have move over the the left hand side of the hob.
The large bottom cupboard under the sink which is presumably for pans is obstructed by heating ducting which limits its usefulness besides putting the ducting at risk of damage.
Finally we come to the upholstery.
The "seat" areas are in a chocolate brown colour whilst the seat back cushions are in a ( horror of horrors ) lighter pattern.
Everyone to their own but we found the backrest pattern,shall we say,not to our taste.
According to Mr.Howard there is no alternative,take it or leave it.
That just about sums up our thoughts of the new Bailey Pursuit.
Please don't run away with the idea that this is a crap caravan,it's not,but certainly for us it lacked the "wow" factor that perhaps we were expecting.
There seemed little to entice us to swap to the Pursuit from our Orion 440/4.
More details of the Pursuit range,including weights and measurements can be downloaded from here:-
Pursuit Flyer
Ian
My comments concentrate on the 550-4 as this is the van we were interested in but obviously there are some common generic factors across the range.
First the good points,I rather liked the exterior of the Pursuit,in particular the grey colour scheme which I admit I prefer to the cream of the Orion.The door now hinges the other way to avoid colliding with the front window and the wet locker has a much larger access door with a plastic tray for wet items.
There is now a front chest with a wide "window sill" area with a pull out table but what this does to the noseweight I don't know.
The electrics/fuse box are sited in the bottom of this chest which avoids the melee of cables in an exposed position in the Orion near side bed base.
Talking of tables,we couldn't find a second table stored anywhere and neither could a salesman although we were assured that there should be one,so if you decide to order a Pursuit make sure there is a table present.
Bailey have retained the large one piece front window but I hope they have uprated the stays as on the Orion they aren't strong enough to support it.
There is now a bowl shaped sink in the bathroom so drainage is simplified over the Orions flat bottomed "difficult to drain unles perfectly flat" Belfast style sink.
The kitchen and TV surfaces now have a shiny finish which I rather liked.
There are up to five 240v plug sockets.
The spare wheel is now stored under one of the fixed beds in a cover which does away with the dreaded Al-Ko carrier,where it is stored in a non-fixed bed van I don't know.Incidentally Bailey have been rather crafty as the spare is included as an option,not on its own,but as part of a Premium Pack at £399 so if you want a spare,and who won't, you will have to also buy the Al-Ko AKS 3004 stabiliser,door flyscreen,microwave ( yes it's now an extra ) and radio/CD/mP3 player whether you want them or not.
My suspicion is that the Premium Pack will become more or less "standard" which jacks the price up by about £400.
The wheels are attached by the new WSL wheel bolts.
There are also separate stand alone options of an Al-Ko wheel lock ( £194 ),Al-Ko ATC ( £399 ) and a sunroof ( £356 ).
SWMBO wasn't keen on the sunroof and much prefered the large panoramic window of the Pegasus and Unicorn.
Now to the not so good in our opinion.
The interior look of medium hue wood,or "The Log Cabin Look" as someone on CT called it,is beginning to look rather tired and old fashioned against some other more contemporary fitted out vans.
Money seems to have been saved in the shower area which remains unlined as in the Orion.There were a couple of areas of dodgy sealing as well.
Doubtless these would be attended to by the dealer but even so.
The bi-fold shower door in the Orion has been replaced with a flimsy shower curtain which did not reach to the bottom of the shower tray leading to a possible wet floor,the shower curtain did not go down well with SWMBO and from what I overheard many other people.
I managed to have a word with Mr.Howard ,one of the Bailey head honchos and mentioned the shower curtain,he said that the fittings for a bi-fold door are there and one could be retro-fitted by the dealer.
This leads me to think that a door was in the original specification but was dropped for perhaps weight or financial reasons as why put the fittings in in the first place if they weren't going to be used..
Moving to the kitchen,the draining board when in place overlaps the hob.
If the hob is still hot you will have a melted draining board.
The ( optional ) microwave is positioned over the sink so if removing a hot or heavy dish there is nowhere immediately beneath the oven to put it down,you have move over the the left hand side of the hob.
The large bottom cupboard under the sink which is presumably for pans is obstructed by heating ducting which limits its usefulness besides putting the ducting at risk of damage.
Finally we come to the upholstery.
The "seat" areas are in a chocolate brown colour whilst the seat back cushions are in a ( horror of horrors ) lighter pattern.
Everyone to their own but we found the backrest pattern,shall we say,not to our taste.
According to Mr.Howard there is no alternative,take it or leave it.
That just about sums up our thoughts of the new Bailey Pursuit.
Please don't run away with the idea that this is a crap caravan,it's not,but certainly for us it lacked the "wow" factor that perhaps we were expecting.
There seemed little to entice us to swap to the Pursuit from our Orion 440/4.
More details of the Pursuit range,including weights and measurements can be downloaded from here:-
Pursuit Flyer
Ian
Monday, 14 October 2013
NEC
Your blogster and SWMBO will be visiting the Caravan Show at the NEC later this week.
There won't be any Orions there of course having been superceded by the new Pursuit,or "Orion on steroids" as someone has termed it..
I think the pictures and a video I have seen look quite promising but nothing is quite like seeing something in the flesh.
Bailey Pursuit at NEC 2013
Ian
There won't be any Orions there of course having been superceded by the new Pursuit,or "Orion on steroids" as someone has termed it..
I think the pictures and a video I have seen look quite promising but nothing is quite like seeing something in the flesh.
Bailey Pursuit at NEC 2013
Ian
Tuesday, 1 October 2013
First View of New Bailey Pursuit
Below is a .pdf of the new Bailey Pursuit.
Bailey Pursuit
Can't help feeling a little underwhelmed although admittedly this is only a brief view of the exterior.
They seem to have raided the Orion parts bin for the front and kept the ridiculously too heavy front window unless they have reinforced the stays to support it.
There appears to be some sort of separate sun roof rather than the "all in one" of the Pegasus and Unicorn.
Nice to see the door hinging the other way to avoid the front window.
I wonder what happened to the aerodynamic and fuel saving Orion shape of a curved front and rear roof that was trumpeted when the Orion was launched,presumably the Pursuit is not as aerodynamic as its predecessor having what appears to be a more traditional straight back.
At least front locker door seems larger.
Lets hope they have ditched the Al-Ko spare wheel carrier for the wind down apparatus of the Pegasus GT65.
It will be interesting to see the interior layouts of the various models but just from the picture ( which is a little unfair I know ) there seems little to fuel an imminent swap to the Pursuit.
Ian
Bailey Pursuit
Can't help feeling a little underwhelmed although admittedly this is only a brief view of the exterior.
They seem to have raided the Orion parts bin for the front and kept the ridiculously too heavy front window unless they have reinforced the stays to support it.
There appears to be some sort of separate sun roof rather than the "all in one" of the Pegasus and Unicorn.
Nice to see the door hinging the other way to avoid the front window.
I wonder what happened to the aerodynamic and fuel saving Orion shape of a curved front and rear roof that was trumpeted when the Orion was launched,presumably the Pursuit is not as aerodynamic as its predecessor having what appears to be a more traditional straight back.
At least front locker door seems larger.
Lets hope they have ditched the Al-Ko spare wheel carrier for the wind down apparatus of the Pegasus GT65.
It will be interesting to see the interior layouts of the various models but just from the picture ( which is a little unfair I know ) there seems little to fuel an imminent swap to the Pursuit.
Ian
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